查看完整版本: 杂阿含经部分内容的翻译(译文部分转贴“淡然”作品),核心概念:五蕴,五取蕴

浪子无心 2007-6-22 16:12

杂阿含经部分内容的翻译(译文部分转贴“淡然”作品),核心概念:五蕴,五取蕴

<p>杂阿含经卷一</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  (五五)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p><p></p><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p><p></p><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p><p></p><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  如是我闻。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  一时。佛在波罗奈国仙人住处鹿野苑中。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  尔时。世尊告诸比丘。我今当说阴及受阴。云何为阴。若所有诸色。若过去.若未来.若现在。若内。若外。若粗.若细。若好.若丑。若远.若近。彼一切总说色阴。随诸所有受.想.行.识亦复如是。彼一切总说受.想.行.识阴。是名为阴。云何为受阴。若色是有漏.是取。若彼色过去.未来.现在。生贪欲.嗔恚.愚痴及余种种上烦恼心法。受.想.行.识亦复如是。是名受阴。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  佛说此经已。诸比丘闻佛所说。欢喜奉行。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">翻译:</span></p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp; <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">我是这麼听说的:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">有一次,佛陀住在波罗奈国的鹿野苑中。那时,佛陀告诉比丘们说:「我现在要为你们解说『五蕴』(五阴)和『五取蕴』(五受阴)。注意听!」</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">佛陀开示道:「何谓『五蕴』(五阴)?比丘们,所有的色身(地、水、火、风),无论过去、未来、现在,也无论内外、强弱、优劣、贵贱、远近,统称为『色蕴』(色阴);所有的感受,.....,统称为『受蕴』(受阴);所有的思虑与分辨作用,.....,统称为『想蕴』(想阴);所有出於意志的行动、造作,.....,统称为『行蕴』(行阴);所有的感官觉知作用,.....,统称为『识蕴』(识阴)。比丘们,这五大类构成生命现象的元素就统称为『五蕴』(五阴)。」</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">佛陀接著说道:「何谓『五取蕴』(五受阴)呢?比丘们,所有的色身(地、水、火、风),无论过去、未来、现在,也无论内外、强弱、优劣、贵贱、远近,当它们成为贪爱、执取的对象时,它们就统称为『色取蕴』(色受阴);所有的感受,.....,统称为『受取蕴』(受受阴);所有的思虑与分辨作用,.....,统称为『想取蕴』(想受阴);所有出於意志的行动、造作,.....,统称为『行取蕴』(行受阴);所有的感官觉知作用,.....,统称为『识取蕴』(识受阴)。比丘们,当『五蕴』(五阴)成为贪爱、执取的对象时,它们就称为『五取蕴』(五受阴)。」</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">佛陀作了这番开示,比丘们充满法喜,信受奉行。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">参考资料:汉译杂阿含第五五经、英译巴利圣典</span><span lang="EN-US">Samyutta-22</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">:</span><span lang="EN-US">48</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"></p><p></p></font></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">我是这麼听说的:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">有一次,佛陀住在波罗奈国的鹿野苑中。那时,佛陀告诉比丘们说:「我现在要为你们解说『五蕴』(五阴)和『五取蕴』(五受阴)。注意听!」</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">佛陀开示道:「何谓『五蕴』(五阴)?比丘们,所有的色身(地、水、火、风),无论过去、未来、现在,也无论内外、强弱、优劣、贵贱、远近,统称为『色蕴』(色阴);所有的感受,.....,统称为『受蕴』(受阴);所有的思虑与分辨作用,.....,统称为『想蕴』(想阴);所有出於意志的行动、造作,.....,统称为『行蕴』(行阴);所有的感官觉知作用,.....,统称为『识蕴』(识阴)。比丘们,这五大类构成生命现象的元素就统称为『五蕴』(五阴)。」</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">佛陀接著说道:「何谓『五取蕴』(五受阴)呢?比丘们,所有的色身(地、水、火、风),无论过去、未来、现在,也无论内外、强弱、优劣、贵贱、远近,当它们成为贪爱、执取的对象时,它们就统称为『色取蕴』(色受阴);所有的感受,.....,统称为『受取蕴』(受受阴);所有的思虑与分辨作用,.....,统称为『想取蕴』(想受阴);所有出於意志的行动、造作,.....,统称为『行取蕴』(行受阴);所有的感官觉知作用,.....,统称为『识取蕴』(识受阴)。比丘们,当『五蕴』(五阴)成为贪爱、执取的对象时,它们就称为『五取蕴』(五受阴)。」</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">佛陀作了这番开示,比丘们充满法喜,信受奉行。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">参考资料:汉译杂阿含第五五经、英译巴利圣典</span><span lang="EN-US">Samyutta-22</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">:</span><span lang="EN-US">48</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">我是这麼听说的:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">有一次,佛陀住在波罗奈国的鹿野苑中。那时,佛陀告诉比丘们说:「我现在要为你们解说『五蕴』(五阴)和『五取蕴』(五受阴)。注意听!」</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">佛陀开示道:「何谓『五蕴』(五阴)?比丘们,所有的色身(地、水、火、风),无论过去、未来、现在,也无论内外、强弱、优劣、贵贱、远近,统称为『色蕴』(色阴);所有的感受,.....,统称为『受蕴』(受阴);所有的思虑与分辨作用,.....,统称为『想蕴』(想阴);所有出於意志的行动、造作,.....,统称为『行蕴』(行阴);所有的感官觉知作用,.....,统称为『识蕴』(识阴)。比丘们,这五大类构成生命现象的元素就统称为『五蕴』(五阴)。」</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">佛陀接著说道:「何谓『五取蕴』(五受阴)呢?比丘们,所有的色身(地、水、火、风),无论过去、未来、现在,也无论内外、强弱、优劣、贵贱、远近,当它们成为贪爱、执取的对象时,它们就统称为『色取蕴』(色受阴);所有的感受,.....,统称为『受取蕴』(受受阴);所有的思虑与分辨作用,.....,统称为『想取蕴』(想受阴);所有出於意志的行动、造作,.....,统称为『行取蕴』(行受阴);所有的感官觉知作用,.....,统称为『识取蕴』(识受阴)。比丘们,当『五蕴』(五阴)成为贪爱、执取的对象时,它们就称为『五取蕴』(五受阴)。」</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">佛陀作了这番开示,比丘们充满法喜,信受奉行。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">参考资料:汉译杂阿含第五五经、英译巴利圣典</span><span lang="EN-US">Samyutta-22</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">:</span><span lang="EN-US">48</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"></p><p></p></span>
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浪子无心 2007-6-22 16:24

<p>奇怪,翻译部分总是显示两次。这个暂且搁置。</p><p>试着讨论以下问题,请大家指正。</p><p>五蕴和五取蕴,是阿含经解说生命存在的的一个基本概念。色蕴、受蕴、想蕴、识蕴都不可能有执取的功能,只有行蕴才有执取的功能,因此,行蕴以外的四蕴都是被执取的对象。淡然这里的翻译,是有些不明暸的。</p><p>解脱者的生存是五蕴的存在,而不是五取蕴的存在。</p><p>另外,作者把五蕴表达为“元素”不太妥当,表达为“基本要素”要更准确一些。</p><p></p>

浪子无心 2007-6-22 16:25

<p>淡然的翻译是简明直接的,以上的讨论是为了加深理解,不是挑毛病。希望大家一起参与。</p>

meijun1234 2007-7-4 13:58

我认为彻悟真理,彻悟生死才是杂阿含经的真谛!<h1 class="title"></h1>

1255qwe 2007-7-14 13:38

不知道彻悟生死了是什么状态

meijun1234 2007-7-14 13:55

自己从佛中去体验吧,愿您能成功,阿弥陀佛!

善觀 2007-7-14 15:03

<p>解脫者的五蘊可以成爲不解脫者的五取蘊。</p><p>五取蘊應作所緣的對象來看,而不是能緣的來看。</p><p>因爲,色蘊並不能能緣。</p>
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